The world is not kind to us, and we must take measures that will yield real minimization of harm. We can shout from the mountaintops all we like about how this is unjust, but our cries will fall on deaf ears and we will find ourselves even more isolated and alone than we would be if we just embraced using CWs. Like the rest of the kink community is already doing, and has been doing for decades.
You know damn well that’s not what I was saying. I was saying people on twitter post CP, but other Twitter users (who aren’t posting or interacting with said CP) don’t get arrested for it.
People post real CP on twitter, but you don’t see Twitter users getting arrested for it.
Maybe a bit more clarity would be good next time. Anyways, the difference is that twitter is a multipurpose social media space while this is a place that makes its use as an erotic roleplay site very clear. Presence here would be treated rather differently in a space with sexualized underage characters present.
Mind you, the proposed solution still theoretically leaves Wolfery itself, the platform and its owners, at risk. Merely asking ageplayers to put in a content warning (barely requires an effort at all) is still sticking out their neck for you guys.
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Yeah, no. I don’t know of a single country outside literal dictatorships that would arrest somebody for accessing F-List, e621, AO3, Inkbunny, Danbooru, Gelbooru, Derpybooru, Furrybooru, any booru really, etc., etc. This is just fear mongering.
At risk of…? Arrest? No. Being shut down? No. Lawsuit? No. Fairly certain this site is hosted in a country that allows AP stuff, so there isn’t a risk to the site.
One or even multiple country’s laws don’t dictate the world.
That’s not in the original post, which is what I was commenting on. If the admins have changed their minds, then they should edit the original to make that apparent up-front.
But as it stands before any changes, the rule that underage profiles cannot have even sexual context would disallow CWs
And, again, there is no “sticking their neck out” because there is no personal legal risk to the admins nor will Wolfery be forced to shut down.
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If you read far enough to reply to my message as you did above, then you have read far enough to know that Fox has already confirmed in this thread that content warnings are the intended endgame in terms of future UI features and that the proposed rules will be adjusted to accommodate CWs via collapsible fields.
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Don’t fuck with us Wolfery Users
We don’t fully read the threads we comment on
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I did read the replies, and from what I can remember nothing that was said revoked the rule change. Just said CWs are the end goal. What about until that end goal?
This post here: Content, Clarity, and Consent - #59 by FoxLancaster-Okami
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Regardless, as has been stated before, the change has already gone through. For now, you can just make a second profile style to use in areas like Sinder that disallow ageplay which removes the sexual content, the same way someone like, say, Talonstrike has multiple profiles for her blue dragoness. Custom tags going into detail about ageplay scenarios are also disallowed, so you’ll have to modify those.
So, basically, you’ll have to change your outfit when going into Sinder, and if you have a tag going into detail about a particular ageplay scenario, you’ll need to rectify that.
Which is unrealistic. Nobody is actually gonna do that. Realistically it will lead to ageplayers removing all nsfw content, being basically unable to use LFRP, and are not allowed to use custom tags unless they’re sfw. This is just a soft ban on ageplay
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“we will integrate it into our package proposal to Accipiter.”
Meaning it may or may not be accepted.
It is as simple as copy and pasting all of your profile into a notepad, then putting it into a second profile and snipping out the offending bits. Piss-easy to do and requires no coding knowledge. It’s a soft ban on lazy ageplayers, maybe.
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I’m a lazy ageplayer and this ban is so soft it’s downright cozy. Think I’ll cuddle up in it and have a nap.
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This entire thread is a proposal that may or may not be accepted. I see no reason why I should doubt Fox’s ability to adequately represent us in discussion with Accipiter.
While I understand that you are concerned about the chilling effect that these kinds of restrictions can have on those, like us, who are engaging in kink, I do not believe it was ever the intention of the moderation team to restrict these in a way that actually affects anyone’s tags, or renders LFRP messages useless. I also do not see how the proposed rules, as written, suggest that such things are likely to occur.
The only thing that is being forbidden is graphic depictions of content not permissible in Sinder. Mentioning in your LFRP that you are looking for a noncon scene, and that you are specifically looking for noncon involving a large masculine wolf is certainly not forbidden, and if it is, then this miscommunication runs much deeper than this thread.
I understand, also, that any restriction at all — given how polarizing this stuff is, and how used to mistreatment and disappointment we have become — is wary-making, but what I see is the moderation team doing everything in their power to keep this site safe for the kink community. CWs are not a loss in the slightest; they are a safety measure that works both ways. Readers are not exposed to kink content without their consent, and I am not exposed to someone getting the wrong idea about what I am interested in and making a mess of our friendship because they never learned how to sort reality from fiction.
Forgetting to mention having to switch profiles back and forth. Anybody knows humans will choose the easier option given.
Also, again, you’re forgetting basically being unable to use LFRP since any nsfw or nsfw context is banned.
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True. Acci could say ‘If they’d rather whine and complain at a reasonable proposal meant to be their opportunity to have a place here at all, they obviously don’t want to have a place here.’ That’s exactly how I read the comments of a large number of opponents to the change. Which is stupid, because I’M ON YOUR SIDE. I don’t want ageplay to go away, but I see far too many people here getting hysterical and deciding to try and bash their way free of any and all limits on their freedom to do something that a VERY VERY VERY LARGE portion of the prospective userbase doesn’t want to exist at all.
The moderators are trying extremely hard to balance ‘we could be a LOT more successful if we just got rid of ageplay entirely’ with ‘we want to include as many people in our platform as we can’ and a ton of responses here seem to indicate that those in favor of ageplay don’t think that they should have to make any concessions, however small they might be to an OBJECTIVE observer, and honestly you’re just making it harder for anyone to make a case in your favor.
The squeaky wheel doesn’t always get the grease, folks. Sometimes the squeaky wheel gets tossed into the garbage and replaced with a wheel that doesn’t cause so many problems. Stop thinking about how much you think it hurts and think about how much it will hurt when you legitimately can’t do it at all on not just Wolfery, but all of the Mucklet realms because it’s too much of a pain to not just blanket ban it from the whole system.
And now I’m going to bed, a task made MUCH more difficult with all the nails folks are STILL pounding into that coffin.
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Switching profiles is remarkably easy once set up, and it is also remarkably easy to set up in the first place. If you can’t handle that, I have no idea how you figured out how to use the site in the first place.
The LFRP thing could be fixed with later implementations, but for now a “Looking - message for details” is a stopgap solution that is, while not frictionless, more than functional.
You, an ageplayer playing an underage character, want to use LFRP to find an rp partner for a sexual rp involving bondage, spanking, and impregnation. Explain to me how you convey that’s what you’re looking for.
Hint: You can’t! Since the proposed rules ban nsfw and nsfw context LFRP.
Wow, you’re right. This miscommunication runs much deeper than this thread. On your end.
Let me help you see whay I mean.
You mean like… this?
So no, an underage character mentioning they are looking for a noncon scene wouldn’t be alowed under this rule.
This is essentially my argument, and the argument that a majority of the folks in this thread concur with. We have seen a lot of posts from one or two people who disapprove, and a few posts from many different people who are engaging in kink and are affected by this rules change and are, quite frankly, happy to see things moving forward.
We do not need maximal liberty. Even a perfect society has some rules, some contexts where certain things are appropriate and other things are not. There is a time and a place for this or for that. This is healthy, not an aberration that should be eliminated at all costs.
The legal reality is that the team will one day be forced to make a choice between blanket banning entire topics from Wolfery wholesale or blanket banning entire nations from accessing their servers. We all know which direction that is going to go when that day comes.
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I think you are interpreting this in the absolute worst possible way. This is not productive.
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