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I’m someone with trauma related to sexual assault IRL. I am also one of the people who engage with ageplay on the site. Why do I do it? Because it helps me deal with the trauma. I get to go through situations in my terms to cope, in a way.

But I also understand, myself, that not everyone is like that. Some have a more negative reaction to things too, who aren’t like that.

But I also agree that sometimes people can take things too far. I’ve seen some running around Sinder taking things too far. When ever I’m in Sinder as an underage character, i keep things sfw myself. My actual NSFW things are hidden in a drop down menu clearly marked NSFW. But even I get a little upset seeing someone run around Sinder with a status saying things like ‘bend me over and pound me’ or something.

But what upsets me, the most, personally… Are the people who use ‘pedophile’ to describe ageplayers. Or ‘Predators’. I’ve seen it in tags, I’ve seen it in abouts. Just because I play a character that is for ageplay, doesn’t mean I am one. I don’t look at a real child and think lewd thoughts about them. Are there ageplayers like that? Sure, probably. Doesn’t mean all are.

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This is a good point. The fact that everyone spawns into the same place centralizes us WAY too much. This goes beyond just the ageplay thing, everyone is always in either Sinder, Lamplight, or the Hunter’s Reprieve in Riverside, with a small contingent of people in the Vaell Shrine in the Sacred Valley or scattered across the Forest.

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Thanks for the feedback! We’ve tossed around some ideas about this sort of thing, but nothing that’s mature enough to talk about yet. A review of the on-boarding is going to definitely be necessary with updated rules features and help usage. Maybe something more focused on finding Areas and figuring out what’s allowed where! We’ve discussed the very “multiple starting Areas” idea before, but it has lots of drawbacks, too, like if a user shows up to an empty room! Not a great introduction for a social platform. x_o Scripting features in the future might also give us some cool new options! Who knows!

But, this begins to deviate a lot from the purpose of the thread. n_n;

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It deviates, but doesn’t at the same time.

Because with proposal 2, you’re not giving younger characters a spot to exist right off the bat.

I definitely get what you’re saying, there needs to be a spot with players, but forcing characters to immediately break the rules is also far from ideal.

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Chat channels. I love channels, personally. They let people socialize without having to be in the same room. You can pick which channels you’re listening to, so they can be realm or topic-focused. I’ve loved any Mu* community I’ve been in with chat channels.

I recognize implementation is a major factor in decision-making, though. But man I’d love channels.

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If people are breaking the the rules in their profile anywhere, please report the profile! See help report in-game—you can type in their name even without a message from them in your log, and select to attach a copy of the profile!

You can also reference the rules with area rules when in an Area, or if you’re unsure about something, reach out to a Helper any time with Helpme <message>!

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In their current state, yeah, for sure! I was just peeking at the Train Compartment and Train Station the other day while mulling these kind of things over.

Empowering players to discover things in-game is awesome, because it applies no matter where they go or what they want to find. That’s part of why we include a message to the Helpme channel as an introductory suggestion! But the first step will be to nail down the expectations with these rules changes. Once we know exactly what we’re working with, we can assess those needs. n_n Fortunately, that’s the sort of thing that can be addressed and tested very responsively.

Edit: I gotta run (Thursdays are busy, too x_x), but I’ll be reading the thread when I can! I’m just one of the staff, so please know you’re being heard even if one of us doesn’t respond directly! There will be plenty of time for people to weigh in, catch up, and discuss new angles!

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My little take on all this!
Little is not the right word but still.

I hope these rules are being put in place, not to make some people feel cut out, or pushed aside, but to make the whole of the site a bit of a more comfy, and welcoming place for everyone.

Some kinks will always be seen as extreme. This will always be the case. Be it ageplay/abdl, or noncon, or scat or gore or vore or violence or watersports- I could go on.
I play a Feral OC. Is feral extreme to me? Not really. To some other people? Yes. There’s the whole ‘does a feral pass the Harkness test’ cause of this. The internet will disagree on topics forever.

I feel most extreme kinks fall under this. A majority of people will see it one way, other another.
This thread has exploded a little with a focus on ageplay, probably because it’s the most popular of topics on the site that could be considered extreme, and I think it’s a little silly not to consider other kinks here.
But these ‘extreme’ kinks do need to be laid out somewhere. At least on this site, so everyone has a clear understanding of what falls under it. Just saying ‘No Extreme kinks.’ Is too vague. And wraps back around to personal feelings.
Just- a small list of what the site deems extreme. That’s all. Even Sinder’s rules are just a small list with an ‘etc’ on the end. Not too helpful.

I also play an ageplay focused OC. I get that it is extreme to some people. And for the sake of others, I’d censor parts of my description. I’d only hope they’d do the same for any extreme kinks that they have too!

The main thing here, is creating a site that can make everyone comfy, and accepted. If blocking out part of my description in a few specific areas is gonna help the next player feel comfier, i’m ok with that.
A couple of Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V’s ain’t gonna kill me. A seperate character profile isn’t either.

At the end of the day, this stuff is restricted in those areas anyway. All that’s new is a change to profiles.

Yes, the rules in this post could be described better. Yes, there may be better ways around it. Does it work for a solution in the mean time? Sure.
Should there be more clarification? Please. I’ve already seen people confused, saying this extends fully to tags, when the post clearly says it isn’t, ‘unless custom tags are overly explicit’.

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No, you aren’t. People post real CP on twitter, but you don’t see other* Twitter users getting arrested for it. YOU will be fine because YOU are not producing anything. Just like you won’t be arrested for using F-list.

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This isn’t a compromise at all, let alone a fair one. A compromise requires a give and take, this is just a large take. And no, allowing AP at all is not a “give.”
It’s giving… “Sure I stole your wallet, but you should thank me for not taking your ID too.”

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See, I know you’re an entirely unserious interlocutor when you say “People post CP on twitter so we can get away with anything”.

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The world is not kind to us, and we must take measures that will yield real minimization of harm. We can shout from the mountaintops all we like about how this is unjust, but our cries will fall on deaf ears and we will find ourselves even more isolated and alone than we would be if we just embraced using CWs. Like the rest of the kink community is already doing, and has been doing for decades.

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You know damn well that’s not what I was saying. I was saying people on twitter post CP, but other Twitter users (who aren’t posting or interacting with said CP) don’t get arrested for it.

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People post real CP on twitter, but you don’t see Twitter users getting arrested for it.

Maybe a bit more clarity would be good next time. Anyways, the difference is that twitter is a multipurpose social media space while this is a place that makes its use as an erotic roleplay site very clear. Presence here would be treated rather differently in a space with sexualized underage characters present.

Mind you, the proposed solution still theoretically leaves Wolfery itself, the platform and its owners, at risk. Merely asking ageplayers to put in a content warning (barely requires an effort at all) is still sticking out their neck for you guys.

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Yeah, no. I don’t know of a single country outside literal dictatorships that would arrest somebody for accessing F-List, e621, AO3, Inkbunny, Danbooru, Gelbooru, Derpybooru, Furrybooru, any booru really, etc., etc. This is just fear mongering.

At risk of…? Arrest? No. Being shut down? No. Lawsuit? No. Fairly certain this site is hosted in a country that allows AP stuff, so there isn’t a risk to the site.
One or even multiple country’s laws don’t dictate the world.

That’s not in the original post, which is what I was commenting on. If the admins have changed their minds, then they should edit the original to make that apparent up-front.

But as it stands before any changes, the rule that underage profiles cannot have even sexual context would disallow CWs

And, again, there is no “sticking their neck out” because there is no personal legal risk to the admins nor will Wolfery be forced to shut down.

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Don’t fuck with us Wolfery Users

We don’t fully read the threads we comment on

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I did read the replies, and from what I can remember nothing that was said revoked the rule change. Just said CWs are the end goal. What about until that end goal?

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