Correction: a fox, which is not legally a per… 🫳🏼 
I think we’ve had most of the moderation crew in here at this point. And I get that you will have very diverse viewpoints and the important thing to do if only for the sake of internal harmony is to find a workable policy.
My main suggestion there is that a pure policy approach isn’t likely to work well - combining it with a few technical changes could make things a lot smoother.
This has been my stance too. Pure policy is only as good as some function of the strength of its enforcement mechanisms and the ease with which people are able to follow the rules. A technical solution that makes the process for compliance obvious and seamless to act upon is the holy grail here.
Just wanted to chime in a bit, I’ve spoken with Fox briefly and gotten the green light to open a new thread to specifically discuss tools and systems proposals to help with the suggested policy changes that have been mentioned throughout the thread. User Content Curation Tools - A Discussion
The idea behind starting the new thread was to hopefully help keep the tool and system based ideas focused and provide a space for us to brainstorm over ways to help provide agency to everyone affected by the policy changes.
I am unfortunately running short on time and only had the chance to go through the first hundred posts, so if you had a tool idea from these discussions, I would encourage you to share it over there.
This thread should still be used for the discussion of the policy changes though.
I would like to point back to my suggestion about making the about field room visible only, and introduce a new info box that is more clearly labeled as must be Sinder safe and is visible everywhere. Maybe even have it filled in by default stating the rules for how to use it.
This not only makes it abundantly clear what the rules are, but makes it so existing users don’t go, “I didn’t know” or it was already there and I didn’t see the update while I was a way for a few months. It also means we don’t have to tuck a single bit of information across up to, what is it, 30 profiles for supporters?
Thank you for voicing the honest truth here. There’s a drastic difference between the two, and a lot of people have (unfortunately) been using this thread to vent about how ‘Ageplay is valid! It’s no different from watersports as a kink!’ which I believe everyone here can sit down and honestly say is a lie.
This is… more than a little worrying. I see where you’re coming from, but I hope that your final line quoted here was simply miswritten.
The interpretation I have of your words reads like the ageplayers on this site are exploring their feelings about something that no one should ‘get to have’. A childhood full of sexual encounters between adults and minors, or with rape, or many of the other things I’ve seen writers on Wolfery (and other platforms)? That’s not a childhood anyone should ‘get’ to have. That’s traumatic, and abhorrent.
The mere idea that the presence of ageplay on Wolfery exists for that reason paints it in a genuinely, morally negative way, compared to the mere issues of legality I’ve expressed higher up in this forum thread.
I disagree. Ageplay is consenting adults pretending to be something else. It does not involve actual children. If it did, there’s a different word for that.
Also, regardless of what kink you’re engaging in, you still can’t tell the age of the other player. Also, if an actual child breaks policy to sneak in, they’re far more likely to avoid exposing that by engaging in ageplay than to avoid it to blend in. But if this happens they should be reported, assuming you ever find out.
Adding on as an anecdote, I started text RPing, and ERPing, as a 14-15 year old teen. I was FAR more interested in being seen as any other adult than playing as a kid, and I was proud of the fact that nobody knew I was that young unless I told them. I can’t say my experience is a universal one, but I believe it’s generally true that minors want to be seen as older than they are, especially in an 18+ area. An innocent kid wanting to play an innocent kid really, really isn’t likely to find their way onto Wolfery.
The overlap between consenting adults engaging in taboo content and underage users sneaking into a place they’re not supposed to be is far smaller than some folks realize.
I’ll echo Reno’s above post. My introduction to both RP and ERP was at 13 through various platforms, and I never involved myself with ageplay. Presenting as an adult was important to being able to stick around and continue doing something I enjoyed.
That’s not to say that what I did was right. It objectively was not.
I’m not trying to state with any of my prior posts that individuals involved in ageplay are more likely to be a minor. That would be an outright lie.
It most certainly wasn’t, and I didn’t realize until much later what kind of problems I may have caused for adults who I informed I was a minor after they had engaged in explicit RP with me in the belief I was an adult. That was Not Okay.
The “fortunate part” for us moderators is that not many teens who ‘sneak in’ know to not tell anyone about it - or if they do, they still can’t keep from saying. It makes what would otherwise be an utterly impossible job somewhat manageable.
I wanna chime in again and state that one of the RPers I mentioned who left, when told about this discussion, reacted with excitement, then disappointment when I more completely explained the measures being discussed, but said that they would be fine with having ageplay be restricted to a different realm.
I say this in the interest of having their voice be more comprehensively heard.
I love all these mysterious “rpers who left” that keep getting mentioned.
Chamomile Gale was a respected community member, and Red-Moon/Snow and Shinyuu were moderators. I don’t appreciate your insinuation that I’m making them up.
Hi, hello!
Alexander mentioned me. I have a long list of reasons why I left Wolfery, but the growing prevalence of extreme ageplay is one of my concerns! Hi, I’m here, Alexander isn’t just making shit up. 
I was a moderator for a time and a zone owner. Now that I’ve popped out to say that I exist I’m going to go back to enjoying the read, goodbye!
Yep, and it’s notable that you were fine with things like Patchwork Square - you aren’t some insane hardliner. It was the biblical flood of toddlers in the park and the like that made you pack your bags.
That’s correct. I have a nuanced opinion about ageplay that I don’t feel like discussing here. I think the decision of the modstaff is a good one.
I hate this. I feel less welcome here. Could the moderators god dang well actually take a stance on the people who just casually, continually compare ageplay to pedophilia? It’s not okay, damn it.
The very volume of this discussion, even when it’s polite, makes me feel like it’s not worth being in a place where my very existence as a character is secretly whispered about and bashed. I literally, literally, HATE this. It is, in itself, unwelcoming that we can’t ever just seem to come to a literal ‘live and let live’. No, somebody has always gotta be complaining. Somebody has always got to be comparing certain kinds of roleplay between consenting adults to literal CSAM.
Damn it, haven’t you ever heard the line that furries are all animal rapists? Haven’t you felt the offense and sting of that assumption from anybody in your life, or just from the media in general? Why are you all willing to dish out the same kind of fundamental disrespect with abandon?
Because I can absolutely make an equivalent, absolutely equivalent, string of arguments about how furrydom is just welcoming to animal rapists, and risks getting people into zoophilia, etc. I absolutely can. And you’d all knock me out of the sky for it! Rightly so!
I am obviously emotional right now.
I appreciate all the philosophy and moralizing being done by people in defense of other people’s rights to just exist in this place. But it should not be necessary for the mods to be launching a defensive action on behalf of a group of their players against another group of their players who are continually advocating for the first group’s banning. At what point does advocating for a group’s banning actually become actionable misconduct itself? Because it sure feels like harassment. It feels like harassment with intent to dissuade certain people from even logging in.
I could swear at all of you.
I’m not going to.
I’m going to continue being a nice person, a nice example of an ageplayer, who doesn’t foist stuff in people’s faces, and who just asks not to be called a creep behind his back or to his face when he’s minding his own business.
And we’ll see what happens, guys. Keep moralizing and criticisizing me on your uncontrolled, unfiltered, unthought-through gag reflexes if you want.
That’s kinda the vibe I have here from all of this. It’s not like people are actively waving torches at us for wanting to play a younger character, but it is also evident that the mods of the site aren’t ever gonna be on our side.
I’ve already mentally prepared for returning to other less fun and good RP sites/servers etc etc over this.