Any rule clarification regarding public spaces

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#1

It has always been my personal belief that public spaces shouldn’t have any expectations for “privacy” – Just as it is in reality.

That being said, I am asking the admins if they could clarify rules regarding scenes in public spaces - especially regarding if someone could demand privacy in any public space, especially if it is not labeled as a private space. (Which I have seen Private RP rooms be created and labeled as such, including one’s own home.)

Is it ok to literally demand privacy in a public space in Wolfery or should anyone be able to enjoy those public spaces and not expect to garner privacy within? (Whispers can be used for privacy in public places or they can move/create a private space, IMHO.)

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#2

This is my personal opinion, not an official statement

Honestly, I’m baffled about it (especially when people ask me to leave my own area because they decided they gonna be cuddly in there). I understand that there’s a desire for privacy sometimes, and if someone likes the scenery I totally get it that they would enjoy each other in a place that is public. But I also expect them to deal with the passing strangers IC in that case and not just tell me to go pound sand elsewhere.

I think it’s impolite at best to demand privacy in a public area, but it’s polite to indulge in giving people space if they ask for it. You don’t have to, especially if you’re not alone, but if they act reasonable, by all means – don’t ruin their mood.

If in doubt, check the area rules. If something is marked as private – don’t stick your nose to see who’s inside. If something is public – feel free to drop in and drop a line or two IC.

And for the cursed kobold’s soul sake, do not ask if it’s alright to join the party in the pillows room. It is always alright. It’s literally the public place.

TL;DR: no, there’s no expectation of privacy in a public room. But, if you are asked to leave and you are in a position to do so comfortably – it is a right thing to do.

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#3

At the same time, if they really want to be “private” in a public space, they CAN use the whisper command, which will append the ooc and pose commands as well (> : in short hand) – so I literally see no point in demanding privacy in a public space, or in the case of last night – being down right RUDE about it. (“Excuse me, can you NOT see we’re fucking busy in here, take your stupid a** somewhere else.” Yes, was literally what was said to me. And I even tossed in a pose - at the only Hot Springs I know - to see if they’d be ok with me simply enjoying the hot springs, not necessarily wanting to “join” their scene.)

It’s late at night, I’ve had a rough day at work, I just wanna relax in some steamy water.

As for the area rules. So far ONLY the FoxHole is specific about this rule in place and there’s nothing on the Wolfery General Rules about it.

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#4

This verges on the public toxicity and I’d suggest this to be taken to the moderation team. This is really not the kind of environment people should expect unless that’s specifically part of the plot.

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#5

I’m tempted to make another “Hot Springs resort” somewhere where the Hot Springs ARE public and have ZERO expectations of Privacy and Demanding such would be a violation of the rules. (AKA, if I hear about someone doing such, they will be permanently banned from the resort.)

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#6

I’d suggest the Vaell’s onsen for that. The foxes are keeping an eye on their area and make sure that such random stuffs doesn’t happen.

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#7

The where, maybe you can show me in world sometime.

Hell, if I like the area and can make a new home there, might move there and never return to Sinder because of the increases in public toxicity that even I have seen within Sinder in particular.

Like it’s bad enough I’ve seen profiles literally saying “I will murder you if you invite me anywhere near Sinder because people are mean there.”

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#8

I’m sure if you message Ikary, she’ll be most pleased to give you a tour. And you can always tell her I sent you.

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#9

I can also suggest the appropriately Japanese-themed Taohi Onsen, located in Kiyogawa, Salagalu.

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#10

No, this is not OK. Although people are free to choose not to interact with anyone ICly, they can not ‘lay claim’ to a public room and expect others to stay away from it, just because they are using it. Please feel free to report such incidents to the mod team, and we’ll clarify the point to the player in question.

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#11

Is it possible to make this as a known Wolfery wide rule since it’s not super clear in the site rules.

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#12

It’s not written in the rules because it should be very common sense that the public areas are what they say on the box. The rules are kept short and concise to ensure they’re understandable, and don’t get an immediate TL;DR reaction. Thus, we’ll most likely just selectively guide those who do not understand this concept. 99% of people hopefully do get it from the start.

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#13

Sadly, it appears to have become such an issue that some users avoid Sinder at all costs in favor of places that have specified it as a rule because (as I said above) there’s so many cases (that even I’ve personally seen) where one enters a public space only to be very rudely told to get out. (I have seen 2 profiles that specifically state NOT to invite them anywhere near Sinder because it’s “become a toxic place”, and now I wonder if this is one of the reasons.")

It’s gotten to the point where if a room has 1 or 2 people in it that isn’t the park, that I’ve begun to wonder if that’s the reason when people enter a public space (like the beach) and see those 1-2 people, they immediately leave.

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#14

That is mildly disappointing. No one stops to say helloes lately.

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#15

Exactly, they don’t even bother to ask if it’s ok to join the public spaces and it appears they assume we want privacy.

I’ve been rudely told no less than 5 times now to leave public spaces, namely the Hot Springs on the Island just because I had a rough day and wanted to relax in steamy water.

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#16

If someone does this to you in an actual public space (exceptions: Rooms at the White Hearth (and similar) and public linked private areas like homes), do a report with log to the moderators and we will have a talk with the people doing it. Public spaces are intended to be public spaces under most conditions and people shouldn’t be bothered for walking through.

If you’re banging in a public space, someone may wander by. Someone may decide to watch. You’re doing it in public, that’s going to happen.

In short: Public places must not be made uncomfortable for the public to be in.

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#17

I can add another Exception I know of. The public linked (but labeled) Private Sex rooms at FoxHole. That would, just like any other labeled private room and someone’s home, NOT be considered a public space. (BTW, secluded outdoor spaces don’t make them private spaces. Just means they are slightly off the “beaten path” but are still outdoor spaces, and ergo still public spaces.)

But if say someone is at an OUTDOOR space in particular (Like the beach or the Hot Springs) it IS a public space and is out side.

It’s like using IRL for a comparison:

If a couple huge ass dragons decided to fuck outside at Lake Washington, they should NOT expect those at/around the lake to NOT be able to see/watch. Nor do they have any right to demand those at the nearby beach (which is a public outdoor space owned by the CITY) to leave so they can “have privacy.”

If the IDEA of other’s watching you fuck makes you uncomfortable then DON’T fuck in public spaces. Take it to your PRIVATE HOME or similarly labeled private room. Or at the very least, take it to the WHISPER system.

Trying to argue that it’s “common knowledge/courtesy” to LEAVE a PUBLIC space just because “you should be aware were busy/fucking and don’t want others to see” can be countermanded by the argument that it’s COMMON knowledge that if you’re gonna fuck in a public space, others CAN enter that space (and have the RIGHT to do so) and can see/watch what you are doing. (

While being rude and cussing out other users in Message, so I KNOW you know how to use the whisper/message command, is just in poor taste and ruins the mood for those that just want to enjoy the space too. And it makes it so that people DON’T want to be on this website due to the “toxic atmosphere.” Don’t tell me to “go fuck off somewhere else” and “this is a huge world, go find another place to hang out” when I just want to relax in some steamy hot springs and ONLY KNOW OF THE ONE PLACE where I can do that.

This latest interaction, after reading profiles of users who make it very well known they are AVOIDING SINDER due to toxic users, just made me want to never come back - because it’s been an issue I’ve personally seen multiple times and they are NEVER nice about asking either.

I’m glad this rule is noted here, though I still think it should be clarified in the main site rules. But since it is here, my own notation on my profile about this can have something to show other users that it is a rule.

God, so sorry talon for the rant like reply to your post. You are an amazing person and I’m glad mods like you are around. Now to see you in world sometime.

I am tempted to ask if I can create and have a space for a hot springs resort that will notate that all spaces are public except for the private rooms inside the resort “hotel.” That way, we have more than one hot springs. (I was thinking up in the mountains somewhere.) If I was allowed to do this, I would love to have it publicly linked and accessible to the public. (Though being up in the mountains, it’ll be a “secluded” public space.)

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#18

That way, we have more than one hot springs

We have like, eight now? Or nine? You should definitely explore more outside of Sinder~

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#19

If I can ever find a way OUT of Sinder. It’s like a trap.

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